Talk Grookey (Pokémon) -Pokémon encyclopedia

Contents

1 Pokedex entry

1.1 Pokédex entries

2 Confusing Wording
3 Origin
4 Name origin
5 «Ecuadorian squirrel monkey»
6 National Pokédex number
7 Category needs to be added to Trivia
8 Need experience group info!

Pokedex entry
Need to create a «Gen VIII» case in the Template:Dex/Gen and add «Sword» and «Shield» version cases to Template:Dex/Entry2. — Rmkane (talk) 18:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

That’s clearly not a dex entry. That’s just a description of the Pokémon. The descriptions are more suited for パソゲー おすすめ the biology section.—ForceFire 05:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
===Pokédex entries===
Pokédex entries

Generation VIII

Sword

A mischievous Chimp Pokémon that is full of boundless curiosity.

Shield

Confusing Wording
Saying that they were introduced in Gen VII may be confusing to some people. While technically correct, it makes it seem like they’re Gen VII Pokémon when they’re actually Gen VIII Pokémon. This should be changed to prevent confusion. — Arqade (talk) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Origin
I heavily doubt that this is based on a squirrel monkey, especially considering that it’s a living species from Ecuador, far from the basis of the region. It’s much more likely to be based on Mesopithecus, given their range matching the region’s inspiration (Europe and namely the UK) and fitting the themes of grass type starters being extinct animals. Burgrr (talk) 02:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

May they have also been based on [1], given they’re «the only free-living primates in Europe» after humans? Also, and apologies if a discussion about their name origin should belong in a separate topic thread, but I think it’s worth mentioning that the «nori» of their Japanese name may also be a reference to «nori», a type of seaweed used to wrap sushi.—Garr9988 (talk) 02:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
If it weren’t a starter, yeah, the Barbary Macaque would be the first thing for inspiration but I mainly bring up Mesopithecus since it fits the starter thematic guidelines. Grass type starters are always based on extinct animals. Burgrr (talk) 02:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Chespin and Rowlet aren’t based on extinct animals at all, and Treecko, Turtwig, and Snivy don’t appear to be based on extinct animals (although it’s less certain). I think you’re confusing «based on extinct animals» with «based on reptiles» (although even that failed when Chespin was introduced). Aielyn (talk) 05:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Chesnaught is a Glyptodon. Rowlet is a Stilt Owl (an extinct Hawaiian owl.) Treecko appears to be bosed on Dilophosaurs and Delcourt’s giant gecko. Turtwig is a Galapagos tortoise (which has been thought to be extinct), or possibly a nodosaur and the World Tortoise, which is fictional. Snivy’s entire line is based on the evolutionary ancestry of snakes, which can be seen in fossils (and the skeletons of some living snakes) where they are seen with vestigial legs and leg remnants. Meanwhile, Venusaur and Meganium are based on the synapsids that went on to become mammals (explaining the ears) and sauropods like the Brachiosaur, respectively. Therefore, Grookey is a Mesopithecus, given it’s extinct nature and the fact that Mesopithecus’s range included the UK. Burgrr (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Oof, so much nonsense. Firstly, not every pokémon from a region needs to be related to the region’s real inspiration, specially starters: we have a Thai chicken in Hoenn; Chinese epic hero, World Turtle, and Napoleon in Sinnoh; Chinese boar and European snakes in Unova; a fucking ninja in Kalos; and a Siren in Alola. «If it weren’t a starter»? The main dex pokémon can be even more unrelated sigh Rhinoceroses in Kanto? Native American birds in Johto? Hyenas in Hoenn? Hippopotamuses in Sinnoh? Sarcophagi in Unova? Pandas in Kalos? Koalas in Alola? Just to mention one major example in each region, cuz I could go for hours if I went nitpicking the exact origins.
Secondly, starter theories are often stretched and shouldn’t be considered as absolute truth when looking for a pokémon’s origin. If the fanbase needs to keep looking for obscure and unlikely animals/details just so they can shove their theories down other people’s throat then it’s a prolly bad theory. It’s the same thing with the weapon theme for water starters and the fire zodiac theory; just don’t, Game Freak isn’t bound to fan speculation, so the research on the origins shouldn’t be either. ExLight (talk) 02:35, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
And about @Garr9988′s commentary. It really doesn’t make sense for it to be nori. It seems more likely to be 森 mori if we’re looking for a grass related term with similar sound. ExLight (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Name origin
Can its name also incorporate «grass» and «ook» (as in monkey’s cry)? Kikugi (talk) 05:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Add «Grove» to name origin for the english name. Explains the Grass type.—ShallowShaddoll (talk) 02:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed; based on Pokemon naming conventions to this point, «Grove Monkey» being the root for Grookey makes the most sense, as a «Grove» is a small wood or forested area.—QuietBrowser (talk) 20:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
«Ecuadorian squirrel monkey»
Hey… I think this attribution is a little too specific. All squirrel monkey species and subspecies are characterized by very discrete differences. In other words, Grookey looks as much like an Ecuadorian squirrel monkey as it does any squirrel monkey. I would suggest editing the origin to reflect that. It should read «Grookey may be based on a squirrel monkey». That’s it. — Nintendo101 (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It is way to specific. Anyone that isn’t a primatologist or a monkey aficionado wouldn’t be really able to tell the difference between the different squirrel monkeys species.
Trying to pinpoint a origin with absurd precision is a common problem through the Origin section and should be avoided unless it really nails down to a specific species/subspecies/breed, specially on recently revealed pokémon that we have pretty much no info other than the design. ExLight (talk) 02:39, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
National Pokédex number
Because every new Pokémon for Sword & Shield will be numbered after Melmetal, that means that Grookey’s NatDex number is #810.TheICTLiker4 (talk) 17:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

We can’t guarantee that, unfortunately. While it’s unlikely, we could have another Victini situation on our hands to mess up the numbers, so we can’t presume until it’s 100% confirmed. GloverMist (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Category needs to be added to Trivia
Grookey shares its category with Chimchar. They are both known as the Chimp Pokemon. Kikugi (talk) 06:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Need experience group info!
Because all Starter Pokémon grow medium slowly, I think that Grookey, Scorbunny and Sobble should all be in the Medium Slow experience group as well. —TheICTLiker4 19:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

We don;t add anything until the games are released. They could change the experience rate of starters.—ForceFire 07:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
For what we know, they can even change the order in which starters are in the Pokédex, their gender ratio, or their non-Hidden Ability. Nothing is certain until the games come out, and because of this, we don’t assume things based on past patterns. Kikugi (talk) 08:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Source : https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Grookey_(Pokémon)

2 Name Origin
3 Quadroped
4 Origin
5 National Pokédex number
6 How Sobble’s Species Origin Connects with Water?
7 Sobble’s Connection with Water Solved!
8 Timid
9 Possible trivia note?

A somewhat timid Water Lizard Pokémon that shoots out attacks as it hides itself in the water.

Name Origin
Should it be said that the «meso» of their Japanese name could, in addition to being from «mesomeso», be a reference to the Mesosaurus (an extinct marine reptile, «commonly believed to have been the first»)?—Garr9988 (talk) 02:31, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Makes sense and it can explain Sobble’s type. Macpika (talk) 01:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Quadroped
Quadruped is mispelled as quadroped in the article’s Biology section. —Landfish7 03:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Sobble might be based on a chameleon.Robbie (talk) 15:05, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree! Esquilo30 (talk) 01:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Because every new Pokémon for Sword & Shield will be numbered after Melmetal, that means that Sobble’s NatDex number is #816.TheICTLiker4 (talk) 17:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Victini says that is not guaranteed. —HoennMaster 18:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
How Sobble’s Species Origin Connects with Water?
Macpika (talk) 23:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
I am aware that Sobble is based on a chameleon because of its appearance and its ability to change color, but something kind of puzzles me.
The previous Water-type starters are all based on semi-aquatic animals, but I haven’t heard of chameleons being aquatic. Are there some species of chameleons that are aquatic (or capable of swimming) or is Sobble also based on other lizards that are aquatic like the basilisk lizard?
1. Maybe Sobble will evolve into pokemon more based on semi-aquatic lizards or anything else associated with water.
2. A lot of the Grass-type and Fire-type starters are based on animals that have no association with plants and fire either.Robbie (talk) 14:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I never thought about it. You have a good point. Macpika (talk) 20:37, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Sobble could actually be based on the Crested Newt, a frilled lizard-like amphibian. Or even be a newt/chameleon hybrid.—QuietBrowser (talk) 20:06, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Sobble’s Connection with Water Solved!
We know Sobble is based on a chameleon and I believe I figured out how it connects with water.
It could be based on the Veiled chameleon. Even though it’s not aquatic, it has a special adaption to collect water in its habitat where there is little water. This species of chameleon has a casque (the helmet-like protrusion on top of its head) that collects water. At night, droplets of moisture roll down the casque and into the chameleon’s mouth.
The way the droplets flow down the Veiled chameleon’s face could give the illusion that it’s crying which could explain the teardrop markings on Sobble’s face. The adult males of this species have defined bands of blue and yellow. Those two colors are part of Sobble’s color scheme.
Here are the links for more information: https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/chameleon (As you scroll down, start reading where is says «A water-catching casque.»)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veiled_chameleon

Here is a picture of the adult male Veiled chameleon: https://flchams.com/chameleon/adult-veiled-chameleons-for-sale/
Enjoy!—Macpika (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Timid
Need to add info about it being timid. if it is threatened, it will cry and cause everyone nearby to start crying as well. Kirsten Thomas (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2019 (UTC)Kirsten

Possible trivia note?
I don’t know all the protocols, but is it worth mentioning that Sobble would be either our third reptile Water starter (if it’s a chameleon; Squirtle and Totodile preceded it), or our second or third amphibian Water starter (Froakie definitely came first, Mudkip could be either an amphibian or a fish) if it turns out to be based on a newt?—QuietBrowser (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Since Sobble is known as the Water Lizard Pokémon (and is based on a chameleon, a type of lizard), it would be mentioned that it is our third reptile Water starter since lizards are reptiles.
This could also complete the Lizard Starter trio since Treecko is the Wood Gecko Pokémon (geckos are a type of lizard), Charmander is the Lizard Pokémon and Sobble is the Water Lizard Pokémon.—Macpika (talk) 02:12, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Second, thirds, (onwards) aren’t notable.—ForceFire 06:14, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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